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02-21 10:50 AM
Broken Borders and Dover Sole: My Lunch With Lou Dobbs (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/opinion/21thu4.html?ref=opinion) By LAWRENCE DOWNES | NYT, Feb 21
So I was having lunch at the Four Seasons with Lou Dobbs the other day, locked in disagreement over who cared more about working people, him or me.
Him: CNN host, biggest and loudest gun in the battle for tougher immigration policies, leader of a nightly crusade to expose the misdeeds of those he views as elitist fools and scoundrels.
Me: editorial writer whose views on immigration qualify, to Mr. Dobbs and many others on his side of the debate, as elitist, foolish and scoundrelly.
Meeting at the Four Seasons was his idea, to continue a long, civil and inconclusive phone conversation about immigration. I got there early and waited at Mr. Dobbs�s banquette. I looked around the hushed room, full of dark suits and a wintry glow. Mr. Dobbs appeared and settled in, his drink, cranberry juice and seltzer, materializing at his right elbow.
In the spirit of the occasion, I ordered strictly within our borders: lobster bisque, filet of bison and New York tap water. He had the Dover sole.
Among people whose immigration views I admire, Mr. Dobbs has a reputation as a hopeless blowhard. I did not dwell on that at lunch. I was his guest, and I had seen what happens if you try to skewer him with insult or accusation. Mr. Dobbs is unencumbered by self-doubt. The granite fortress of his certitude is smooth and featureless, and whatever boulders you hurl at it will end up on your head. Besides, I was looking for something better than an argument. I wanted to convert him.
An honest person must concede a lot when arguing immigration with Mr. Dobbs: Yes, the borders and ports are insecure, and poor countries like Mexico have done too little to solve their economic and migration problems. Yes, illegal immigration hurts some Americans, globalization causes many global problems and big corporations love to stick it to the little guy.
My point to Mr. Dobbs was that the little-little guy � the �illegal alien� crossing our �broken borders� � was the wrong target. His overriding emphasis on solving globalization�s many ills by urgently sealing the borders strikes me as populism gone astray.
First, it�s ineffective, because the country will never be ziplocked as tightly as he wants it to be. The price of trying is too high, and it ignores the millions who enter the country legally but overstay. Most shamefully, it does nothing to resolve the fates of the 12 million undocumented already here.
Second, the obsession with enforcement dovetails with the agendas of some nasty people: the nativists for whom immigration is a simple case of brown and white, of preserving �American� culture by keeping Latinos out.
Third, it does too little to attack the evil corporate elites that are Mr. Dobbs�s sworn enemy. What makes illegal immigrants so delectable to big, bad business is their illegality � their willingness to work cheap and under the table. So why not legalize and tax them? Assimilate the good guys, as this country has always done, and save law enforcement for the bad ones.
The idea is to confront abusive corporate power with worker power. If day laborers end up in our suburbs, where the money and jobs are, then give them safe places to gather and help them work together to keep from driving wages and working conditions down. If companies take advantage of workers, empower the workers to fight back: as union members, legal residents, citizens.
But that�s �amnesty,� a Dobbsian expletive. It�s the opposite of the crackdowns endorsed by him and the hard-liners he praises, like the Minutemen.
Mr. Dobbs listened graciously and budged not. He said he respected immigrants, even illegal ones, who he felt had gotten an unfair shake from their governments. He reminded me of his fondness for Cesar Chavez.
Then he repeated his immigration credo. It went like this: the 1986 immigration law was an amnesty promoted by corporate interests waging war on the middle class. Thus the 2006 and 2007 reforms were also amnesty, pushed by the same self-serving plutocrats. So nothing they want is worth doing � at least not until the border is sealed.
That could be a long time. While we wait, I am going to keep trying to convince Mr. Dobbs that a comprehensive solution � enforcement plus assimilation � is the best expression of the populism he espouses.
Mr. Dobbs admits that mass deportation would never work, although if you press him on what to do about the 12 million, he has no answer. He wants to hold that question �in abeyance� until the border is sealed. I find that oddly passive for someone so convinced of the dangers from the aliens in our midst.
I told him that, and he smiled. The lunch was over. I didn�t wrestle over the check because there was no check, just a goodbye from the staff. I got my coat and walked with Mr. Dobbs to his car. We shook hands and I thanked him for the discussion. He made me promise to continue it. I assured him I would.
So I was having lunch at the Four Seasons with Lou Dobbs the other day, locked in disagreement over who cared more about working people, him or me.
Him: CNN host, biggest and loudest gun in the battle for tougher immigration policies, leader of a nightly crusade to expose the misdeeds of those he views as elitist fools and scoundrels.
Me: editorial writer whose views on immigration qualify, to Mr. Dobbs and many others on his side of the debate, as elitist, foolish and scoundrelly.
Meeting at the Four Seasons was his idea, to continue a long, civil and inconclusive phone conversation about immigration. I got there early and waited at Mr. Dobbs�s banquette. I looked around the hushed room, full of dark suits and a wintry glow. Mr. Dobbs appeared and settled in, his drink, cranberry juice and seltzer, materializing at his right elbow.
In the spirit of the occasion, I ordered strictly within our borders: lobster bisque, filet of bison and New York tap water. He had the Dover sole.
Among people whose immigration views I admire, Mr. Dobbs has a reputation as a hopeless blowhard. I did not dwell on that at lunch. I was his guest, and I had seen what happens if you try to skewer him with insult or accusation. Mr. Dobbs is unencumbered by self-doubt. The granite fortress of his certitude is smooth and featureless, and whatever boulders you hurl at it will end up on your head. Besides, I was looking for something better than an argument. I wanted to convert him.
An honest person must concede a lot when arguing immigration with Mr. Dobbs: Yes, the borders and ports are insecure, and poor countries like Mexico have done too little to solve their economic and migration problems. Yes, illegal immigration hurts some Americans, globalization causes many global problems and big corporations love to stick it to the little guy.
My point to Mr. Dobbs was that the little-little guy � the �illegal alien� crossing our �broken borders� � was the wrong target. His overriding emphasis on solving globalization�s many ills by urgently sealing the borders strikes me as populism gone astray.
First, it�s ineffective, because the country will never be ziplocked as tightly as he wants it to be. The price of trying is too high, and it ignores the millions who enter the country legally but overstay. Most shamefully, it does nothing to resolve the fates of the 12 million undocumented already here.
Second, the obsession with enforcement dovetails with the agendas of some nasty people: the nativists for whom immigration is a simple case of brown and white, of preserving �American� culture by keeping Latinos out.
Third, it does too little to attack the evil corporate elites that are Mr. Dobbs�s sworn enemy. What makes illegal immigrants so delectable to big, bad business is their illegality � their willingness to work cheap and under the table. So why not legalize and tax them? Assimilate the good guys, as this country has always done, and save law enforcement for the bad ones.
The idea is to confront abusive corporate power with worker power. If day laborers end up in our suburbs, where the money and jobs are, then give them safe places to gather and help them work together to keep from driving wages and working conditions down. If companies take advantage of workers, empower the workers to fight back: as union members, legal residents, citizens.
But that�s �amnesty,� a Dobbsian expletive. It�s the opposite of the crackdowns endorsed by him and the hard-liners he praises, like the Minutemen.
Mr. Dobbs listened graciously and budged not. He said he respected immigrants, even illegal ones, who he felt had gotten an unfair shake from their governments. He reminded me of his fondness for Cesar Chavez.
Then he repeated his immigration credo. It went like this: the 1986 immigration law was an amnesty promoted by corporate interests waging war on the middle class. Thus the 2006 and 2007 reforms were also amnesty, pushed by the same self-serving plutocrats. So nothing they want is worth doing � at least not until the border is sealed.
That could be a long time. While we wait, I am going to keep trying to convince Mr. Dobbs that a comprehensive solution � enforcement plus assimilation � is the best expression of the populism he espouses.
Mr. Dobbs admits that mass deportation would never work, although if you press him on what to do about the 12 million, he has no answer. He wants to hold that question �in abeyance� until the border is sealed. I find that oddly passive for someone so convinced of the dangers from the aliens in our midst.
I told him that, and he smiled. The lunch was over. I didn�t wrestle over the check because there was no check, just a goodbye from the staff. I got my coat and walked with Mr. Dobbs to his car. We shook hands and I thanked him for the discussion. He made me promise to continue it. I assured him I would.
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01-31 04:45 AM
Hello lost in gc land..
i got no slip..VO said..approved and kept the forms and 797 and pp and said you will get it by courier.
i got no slip..VO said..approved and kept the forms and 797 and pp and said you will get it by courier.
noman
01-08 01:07 PM
I have just mailed my letters, hand written! thanks for your help and support. Lots of prayers for IV.
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dreamworld
09-19 04:11 PM
It is possible to use your new approved 140(EB2). Your date are current and do request USCIS and go in front of GC line. Good luck.
You can request USCIS with reference to this citation/pdf.
http://www.ilw.com/lawyers/seminars/august2002_citation2c.pdf
Please make a token contribution to IV.
I have applied my I485 and EAD based on EB3, I have received EAD for me and my wife, in parallel I had also applied for I140 based on my EB2 application. Now my I140 has been approved for EB2 and PD is current for EB2. I was wondering if there is any way that I can get my I485 transferred to EB2 and how can I get it done...
Could someone please suggest...
Thanks in advance
You can request USCIS with reference to this citation/pdf.
http://www.ilw.com/lawyers/seminars/august2002_citation2c.pdf
Please make a token contribution to IV.
I have applied my I485 and EAD based on EB3, I have received EAD for me and my wife, in parallel I had also applied for I140 based on my EB2 application. Now my I140 has been approved for EB2 and PD is current for EB2. I was wondering if there is any way that I can get my I485 transferred to EB2 and how can I get it done...
Could someone please suggest...
Thanks in advance
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CADude
09-20 03:03 PM
USCIS has to work in FIFO process not RIRO(Random In Random Out)... So they can't send Receipt Notice to Aug 17th filer and then look for July 2nd filer. I sent my concern to congressmen? Now choice is your? I can't force you or USCIS for any action but i can do what ever possible by me.. :)
PS: PD: July 2001 and waiting approx 8 years for GC where my friends are applying for citizenship, if they choose to do so. :)
Question is that there are so many July 2 filers (including me) who have not got any response yet. Therefore, it is not an isolated case. I don't know if emailing to the Director does any good, as long as USCIS keeps admitting that they have not yet sent all receipts (inspite of weekly bulletins). Until 90 days are over, I guess, USCIS will be unresponsive to individual inquiries.
PS: PD: July 2001 and waiting approx 8 years for GC where my friends are applying for citizenship, if they choose to do so. :)
Question is that there are so many July 2 filers (including me) who have not got any response yet. Therefore, it is not an isolated case. I don't know if emailing to the Director does any good, as long as USCIS keeps admitting that they have not yet sent all receipts (inspite of weekly bulletins). Until 90 days are over, I guess, USCIS will be unresponsive to individual inquiries.
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10-08 05:23 PM
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International Retail rates apply outside of Global countries
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Teleblend (formerly SunRocket) came out with this plan today.
NEW! Global Unlimited Plan$24.95/month*
Unlimited calling to 47 countries including India, China, Mexico, Russia, and so much more.
International Retail rates apply outside of Global countries
Activation Fee $29.95 plus $9.95 Shipping fee for New Device:eek:
Activation Fee of $5.95 with existing approved Device:confused:
$39.99 Early Termination Fee (No refund) :(
Over 15 features such as CallerID, CallWaiting, VoiceMail and more
Emergency 911 Services
Great international rates
*Minimum 1 year contract required.:mad:
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claudia255
07-14 07:01 AM
I only caught part of a report on Lou Dobbs regarding Beckham's visa. He received an O-visa. The Department of State (http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1271.html) does not give the number of these visas issued every year. However, the reporter on Lou Dobbs (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/13/ldt.01.html) claimed there were over 12,000 of those given out last year . Where did they get that number?
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bayarea07
09-14 01:00 PM
Any call this weekend, I am planning to call all except the supporters today.
Please CAL CALL CALL !!!!
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jsb
09-24 09:04 AM
Another thread tells USCIS offices are shuttling cases around. See below
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13685
No one is sure where you case has been sent to (at least until you get receipt...or even after that). Weekly updates only tell about the cases each office decided to keep. No one knows about transferred (or yet undecided as to where to send) cases...weekly updates don't apply to them !!!
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13685
No one is sure where you case has been sent to (at least until you get receipt...or even after that). Weekly updates only tell about the cases each office decided to keep. No one knows about transferred (or yet undecided as to where to send) cases...weekly updates don't apply to them !!!
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Rajk
06-16 01:34 PM
That is your receipt number. In my case, the A# is in the box that has the name of the beneficiary.
Ams
I do not have any number in Beneficiary box.
Does that mean I do not have an A#?
Is this an issue?
Will appreciate your response.
Ams
I do not have any number in Beneficiary box.
Does that mean I do not have an A#?
Is this an issue?
Will appreciate your response.
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SunnySurya
08-07 10:25 AM
Then why do we have different categories then...
If you can call it EB2 line, yes he will come before you. On the other hand an EB3 guy calls it �GC� line and says that you come later with a Masters and go before him in the line. It depends on which way you look at it.
If you can call it EB2 line, yes he will come before you. On the other hand an EB3 guy calls it �GC� line and says that you come later with a Masters and go before him in the line. It depends on which way you look at it.
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factoryman
05-24 06:39 PM
Jan 1 1970. Before that you can submit affidavits.
I didn't submit non-availabilty to attorney. Last time in Sep 2005, I was about to file I-485, they didn't ask. Not sure, if the Non-Availability thing came up after Oct 2005.
My father tried to get a Non Availability certificate but they told since the birth is registered they can't issue one and that they also won't change the name...:mad: (after the incident where that MP tried to sneak people into Canada they are very strict it seems)
I didn't submit non-availabilty to attorney. Last time in Sep 2005, I was about to file I-485, they didn't ask. Not sure, if the Non-Availability thing came up after Oct 2005.
My father tried to get a Non Availability certificate but they told since the birth is registered they can't issue one and that they also won't change the name...:mad: (after the incident where that MP tried to sneak people into Canada they are very strict it seems)
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darslee
07-09 08:29 PM
How did he came to know about this, where as many big media heads are unaware of this........any idea?
Perhaps something as simple as the florist's confirming delivery address etc?
That is the reason they ask for recipient's telephone number. They do warn that they may call the recipient to confirm delivery details.
Perhaps something as simple as the florist's confirming delivery address etc?
That is the reason they ask for recipient's telephone number. They do warn that they may call the recipient to confirm delivery details.
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abhijitp
12-07 01:46 AM
Congratulations on getting GC.
I think the fact that you had same A# helped you despite multiple filings. There are cases of people where even though they have declared their second application, USCIS assigned them a second A# number.
Pls. Stick around in IV and help others with your knowledge.
I have received two A#s since I submitted a second set of AOS (first set had a number of omissions and I did not want to miss the boat).
I think there is no reason to lose sleep over this issue (actually I was told so by a renowned lawyer with whom I just did a consultation), and there is not much we can do anyway. Except... if possible we should send a letter to USCIS telling them about these two sets of applications and then asking them to choose the one which is approvable (again, I was told so by the same lawyer).
BTW canadian_dream: heartiest conrgatulations on your green card approval, your posts on the multiple filings issue have been very helpful.
I think the fact that you had same A# helped you despite multiple filings. There are cases of people where even though they have declared their second application, USCIS assigned them a second A# number.
Pls. Stick around in IV and help others with your knowledge.
I have received two A#s since I submitted a second set of AOS (first set had a number of omissions and I did not want to miss the boat).
I think there is no reason to lose sleep over this issue (actually I was told so by a renowned lawyer with whom I just did a consultation), and there is not much we can do anyway. Except... if possible we should send a letter to USCIS telling them about these two sets of applications and then asking them to choose the one which is approvable (again, I was told so by the same lawyer).
BTW canadian_dream: heartiest conrgatulations on your green card approval, your posts on the multiple filings issue have been very helpful.
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ruby
06-20 07:51 PM
I'm filling I-131 form and there is a question for which i need help. It asks for "Class of Admission" (Question 3). What it is? Is it H1B?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
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sundevil
07-11 01:45 PM
No disrespect to Al-Jazeera. But putting our story on that channel is not a good idea. People view anything on it with lot of suspicion, and Fox news interprets everybody Al-Jazeera sympathizes with as you know what.
Don't come after me for saying this, its not my opinion. But general opinion that I have observed from people who are not well informed(read majority of people). Lets focus on the main stream media in US, outside coverage is not that significant anyway.
Core,
Some one from Al Jazeera is requesting for more info. Please contact him (if its not done yet) for a story on the flower drive. Other members who participated in the drive please call and talk a few details.
His request is pasted from another thread:
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I'm a producerfor Al Jazeera English, the international TV network. I'm hoping to talk with some of the people involved in the flower campaign. If you have time to contact me it would be great- 202-496-4519 or 202-651-1613. Many thanks,
Kelly Rockwell
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Don't come after me for saying this, its not my opinion. But general opinion that I have observed from people who are not well informed(read majority of people). Lets focus on the main stream media in US, outside coverage is not that significant anyway.
Core,
Some one from Al Jazeera is requesting for more info. Please contact him (if its not done yet) for a story on the flower drive. Other members who participated in the drive please call and talk a few details.
His request is pasted from another thread:
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I'm a producerfor Al Jazeera English, the international TV network. I'm hoping to talk with some of the people involved in the flower campaign. If you have time to contact me it would be great- 202-496-4519 or 202-651-1613. Many thanks,
Kelly Rockwell
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mamit
02-26 05:53 AM
Hi All
I received the passport from VFS (h1-B renewal - PIMS check delay) after a wait of 2 Months... All the best with your case !!
congrats man. I remember reading you angry emails about the delay. good luck.
I received the passport from VFS (h1-B renewal - PIMS check delay) after a wait of 2 Months... All the best with your case !!
congrats man. I remember reading you angry emails about the delay. good luck.
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priderock
06-29 03:59 PM
Oh's website is like a thanks giving store sale. Stores advertise super duper low prices for stuff and when you get there, they will just say that the item is sold out. They only keep handful in the inventory so the first few who camped out overnight will get it and rest will get frustration. The main idea is to bring people in the store so that they will buy other stuff where they are there.
Oh also uses the same tactic. He just announces sensational news all the time so people keep visiting his web site and more often than not, he'll just go back and retract the statement. The idea is not to share news but to keep the traffic coming on his website and some might end up becoming his client.
I say the trick works. Even though I know that not everything he says can be trusted, I still visit his website to see if he has any new rumor.
May not be a rumor any more :(
Oh also uses the same tactic. He just announces sensational news all the time so people keep visiting his web site and more often than not, he'll just go back and retract the statement. The idea is not to share news but to keep the traffic coming on his website and some might end up becoming his client.
I say the trick works. Even though I know that not everything he says can be trusted, I still visit his website to see if he has any new rumor.
May not be a rumor any more :(
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msusa123
09-15 09:53 AM
Good news... I got CPO at 9:05AM.
I raised SR for my case on 9/2 and no response until today morning and raised SR for my wife yesterday night. No changes to my wife application.
I asked my attorney sending an e-mail for TSC streamline process and I do not know whether he acted on it or not.
Good luck every one who are waiting for approval
I raised SR for my case on 9/2 and no response until today morning and raised SR for my wife yesterday night. No changes to my wife application.
I asked my attorney sending an e-mail for TSC streamline process and I do not know whether he acted on it or not.
Good luck every one who are waiting for approval
l1fraud
06-12 06:59 PM
THE OP SEEMS TO BE AN ANTI IMMIGRANT. HE/SHE HAS NOT REVEALED THE IDENTITY AND MAY NOT BE HELPFUL - HE/SHE IS TRYING TO STIR UP SUCH DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME AGENDA WHICH WE DO NOT KNOW.
IF THE OP IS GENUINE AND SERIOUS HE/SHE MUST REVEAL IDENTITY AND HONESTLY WORK WITH THE ORGANIZATION AND UTILIZE THE RESOURCES AND HELP THE GOVT IN WORKING TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE.[/QUOTE]
Hi Chandu,
Why should I reveal my identity?? Even the ICE Investigator with whom I am working has agreed for anonymity, In case you think that I am a american guy with anti-immigrant agenda I challenge you to set up a tele-conference where I can login without revealing my identity and I can prove my intentions, nationality or what ever you want ... (except for my personal details and specific violation details). I am here to fight a violation, please don't blame if you/your organisation would be impacted by this investigation.
Regarding the process for complaining please go to the below link "http://www.ice.gov/about/investigations/contact.htm" and see the main office for your state and call the investigations office and they would provide you the contact no. for your local officer (most of the cities would have local officers, their office would be along with other customs and immigration operations) and you can contact him directly and he would provide you the details for lodging a formal complaint. Please let me know if you need any further information regarding the same.
IF THE OP IS GENUINE AND SERIOUS HE/SHE MUST REVEAL IDENTITY AND HONESTLY WORK WITH THE ORGANIZATION AND UTILIZE THE RESOURCES AND HELP THE GOVT IN WORKING TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE.[/QUOTE]
Hi Chandu,
Why should I reveal my identity?? Even the ICE Investigator with whom I am working has agreed for anonymity, In case you think that I am a american guy with anti-immigrant agenda I challenge you to set up a tele-conference where I can login without revealing my identity and I can prove my intentions, nationality or what ever you want ... (except for my personal details and specific violation details). I am here to fight a violation, please don't blame if you/your organisation would be impacted by this investigation.
Regarding the process for complaining please go to the below link "http://www.ice.gov/about/investigations/contact.htm" and see the main office for your state and call the investigations office and they would provide you the contact no. for your local officer (most of the cities would have local officers, their office would be along with other customs and immigration operations) and you can contact him directly and he would provide you the details for lodging a formal complaint. Please let me know if you need any further information regarding the same.
elaiyam
06-15 04:43 PM
Should everyone submit a police clearance record?
