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  • amsgc
    12-21 04:07 PM
    albertpinto,

    I agree that it is not going to be easy - but I don't see any other way.

    It is easy to throw numbers - 200K, 500K waiting, 750K apps received etc. etc., but unless there is evidence to back it up, these numbers mean nothing. What is our answer to a Senator who asks how many people are waiting in line Eb category? And what is the source of that data?

    How else can we estimate how much money we are paying every year in taxes and contributing to the growth of the economy? Or, how many really intend to buy a house on receipt of the Green Card?

    Perhaps we can think of some other strategy to arrive at some concrete numbers - but I sincerely don't think a database of anonymous unverifiable members is of much use. By the way, when I said verifiable, I meant that if a representative from a senators office were to randomly call a number from the database, he would find a legal immigrant at the other end who is trying to find his way through this process.

    I like the idea of a temporary green card - there has been talk about it in the forums in the past. We could also consider pitching the idea of "expedited/early evaluation/adjudication", of the I-485, for a fee. The main point could be:
    - For a fee, you will know for sure whether all your paperwork/interview work is complete, the case has been adjudicated, and your application is waiting only for a visa umber.
    - Once the case is adjudicated - the USCIS sends you a letter that it is complete. Now can do almost anything with your EAD/AP - work for any employer, any field, any state, study, start a business etc.

    The USCIS can define the criteria for accepting cases for early evaluation, such as:
    - PD older than 3 years
    - Buying a house etc.
    - Attempting to start a business, changing job, going back to school to enhance skills etc.

    Any other thoughts, any one?



    I will be surprised if you get many mails - if you are asking people to reveal their phone numbers and the estimated taxes - how many will send mails ? and how can you verify what is being sent ??
    the main point should be keep it simple !!!
    -- I suggest this ...
    1) come up with a plan ..either to send letters to media or logfren or both ..tell them about GC and housing and to speed up the process for those already here (rather than increasing h1 - which is controversial during slowdowns).
    at the very least give us temporary green cards (if they cannot do a recapture) ..this temp card should be similar to permanent GC ..but it should give the applicant the freedom from RFE's etc (I know these sound difficult ..but it is new year and who knows Santa may grant us our wish :)).

    2) give them approx figure that there are 300k families who are planning to buy house sooner or later ..but the GC is preventing them.
    3) the other main point is to keep on increasing IV's member ship by telling everyone about this campaign ..maybe we need the dedication like the AMway guys to increase membership !!
    (also ..please post on one thread and keep only one thread active at a time).





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  • samay
    07-22 11:39 AM
    I am in the 6th year of H1B. 6 year term expires in March 5, 2009.

    My Company filed LC in June 2008.

    Assuming my LC is cleared by this year end, I-140 Filed around Jan 2009.

    Can i get 7th H1B Year extension, if my company files H1B extension by Feb 2009.

    In which cases 7th Year extension will be rejected.

    If your LC gets cleared by the year end you can apply for I-140 by premium processing and once that gets cleared your company can file for a three year extension for you.





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  • grupak
    02-13 01:34 PM
    Finally you hit the nail on its head. That’s why the per country limit is there so no one country with larger population can monopolize any agenda the way you are trying to do with IV.

    I don't understand this logic. We are talking about employment based GC.

    Lets be clear that we are talking about people who are employed in the US and their employers have sponsored their green cards (except the EB2-NIW, EB1_EA). These people are employed because of their skill at jobs not their national origin.

    Are you suggesting that somehow people of some countries have monopolized the foreign worker pool by born in the same country and NOT because of their skill.

    Since we are talking about a privilege and benefit that comes from being employed in the US, you are actually suggesting that US employers should consider country of birth and not just skill in the employment.

    Tell me how did the Chinese, Indian, Mexican and Filipino workers unfairly monopolized the foreign worker pool. As far as I am aware, these countries have large populations and a lot of Science and Engineering graduates happen to be from these countries.

    The country cap makes sense in family based immigration system when extended beyond the immediate family members. IV is not for FB GC issues.

    Again, employment in the US is based on skill not country of birth. The foreign workers are here because they are needed, and US will benefit by keeping these skilled workers long term. What IV is doing benefits all employment based GC.





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  • andy007
    07-03 10:18 PM
    Hi Guys,

    Can you please post Media Links on this issue .. (CNN, ... etc) Thanks



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  • byeusa
    07-11 01:00 AM
    Don't worry. SSA would be broke by then. and then the dollar would have devaluated by another 50%. Healthcare for the masses is a failure, immigration policy is a failure, schooling system is failing in majority of the nation, rampant violence with kids shooting in the schools, is any think that is right in this society? Glorification of Paris Hilton on CNN continously, Britney Spears in the news on front pages of the magazines.. how much more trashy can it be?





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  • poorslumdog
    09-04 12:59 PM
    No point in agruing with fools like you.....

    Then argu with yourself Idiot.:D



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  • meg_z
    02-19 11:41 AM
    I think we can make some very credible and good arguments for ourselves.

    a) The changing demographics require an increased level of immigration. It is upto this country to decide if it wants semi-skilled immigrants (Indian cooks and gardeners) and their siblings/parents, or high-skilled immigrants.



    Just read this in the morning.

    The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) estimates that in 2002 illegal alien households imposed costs of $26 billion on the federal government and paid $16 billion in federal taxes, creating an annual net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion at the federal level, or $2,700 per household.

    Among the largest costs, were Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison/court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

    If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, CIS estimates the annual net fiscal deficit would increase to $29 billion, or $7,700, per household.

    The primary reason illegal aliens create a fiscal deficit is that an estimated 60 percent lack a high school degree and another 20 percent have no education beyond high school. The fiscal drain is not due to their legal status or unwillingness to work.

    Illegal alines with little education are a significant fiscal drain, but less-educated immigrants who are legal residents are a much larger fiscal problem because they are eligible for many more programs.

    Many of the costs associated with illegal aliens are due to their US-born children who have American citizenship. Thus, barring illegal aliens themselves from federal programs will have little impact on costs.

    Focusing just on Social Security and Medicare, CIS estimates that illegal households create a combined net benefit for these two programs in excess of $7 billion a year. However, they create a net deficit of $17 billion in the rest of the budget, for a total net federal cost of $10 billion.

    http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=697





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  • patfanboston
    05-12 09:25 PM
    @venetian:

    I was not responding to the Sri Lankan issue - please don't read it as such. As I said, my comment was tangential to the discussion thread. I was just writing about my observation of the behavior and attitude of Tamils in general in India.

    @jerrome:

    Your point about MGR/Jayalalitha/Rajanikanth just proves my point. These people migrated to Tamil Nadu, made it their home and 'assimilated' by learning Tamil and considering themselves Tamil and showing their love for Tamil - they did not become famous in TN by propagating Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada. Now, if only you could provide some examples of the other way around - Tamils who migrated elsewhere and who made the host cultures proud. Can you?

    There definitely are Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada natives in TN - but without exception, they have 'Tamilized' themselves to a great extent to live a normal life. Is the converse true?



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  • unitednations
    02-18 09:59 PM
    Aiming London shooting Tokyo that's what your reasoning looks like. There's no point in arguing\discussing based on such logic.

    You are not a messenger, you are a opponent of 485 measure, I think there is a big and clear difference between both.

    If 485 measure is not of much help, I wonder why all the poeple who have applied for 485 keep wasting there time and money renewing there EAD every year.


    Please lay out why they should allow 485 filing that is in USA benefit and the employer who is sponsoring you benefit. Employment base is not a humanitarian base greencard.

    I will list the reasons people use and then the arguments people would use against you and then you can counter it.

    1) 485 filing will allow me to change my job or get promoted and I won't be tied to my employer

    ----it is employer base system. you are supposed to work with them permanently. nothing in the law stops you from changing employers. Just get them to file another h-1b for you; get the new employer or position to file another labor for you.

    ----but the new employer I have won't file greencard or h-1b/

    ----looks like they don't need a foreigner. if they did then they would do it for you wouldnt they?

    ----i want to go back to school.

    ----get an f-1

    -----the uncertainty is killing me

    -----lucky you are allowed to stay here and wait and work. others have to wait outside usa until their number is called. you can go back home and wait for your number to get called - like spouses of greencard holders; siblings of u.s. citizens; over 21 year old children of u.s. citizens.

    -----I want to change to a totally new profession

    -----You are getting a greencard because a specific employer needs you on a permanent basis don't they? Looks like you don't have intention to work permanently for them. Nothing is stopping another employer to file a greencard for you.

    ----but i can't work for them because the job won't qualify for h-1b and they won't wait five years for the quota to get current to employ me.

    -----how come employers aren't lobbying for you? if they have to wait 5 years for you then why are we not hearing from them?

    2) I want my spouse to work. they are underutilized.

    ---- Did you know that it is a non working visa? EB greencard is to control the number of workers coming into the workforce and to not flood the market


    3) the intention of ac21 was to be free and clear of your employer after 180 days of filing.

    -------no, not really; once your number comes up and it is in the quota and we don't adjudicate it within 180 days then you can change. We still need to control the workforce and determine how many people we want to let in.
    =========================================

    One thing everyone loses sight of is that EB greencard is not humanitarian greencard. It is specific to an employer. One way to look at it is that you are not underprivileged because you are allowed to stay here and work and wait whereas other immigrant wannabes do not have that luxury.

    Now before people start raning; you need to figure out how it is in the country and employer benefit for you to get the greencard or file a 485. Your reasons cannot be against the nature and purpose of employment base greencard. If it is then it doesn't have much merit within the current law.





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  • sunty
    02-13 01:47 PM
    After reading all these comments specially the one from walking_dude, I think its prudent of IV for engaging USCIS in a constructive way....Even though it is very frustrating for us now, it would be a mistake to cut all connections to USCIS by a lawsuit..

    Lawsuit should be explored as a last resort for relief and I am for it..

    There are a number of things:

    1) A lawsuit cannot increase the GC visa numbers. Courts cannot change the law. The only relief we can seek through a lawsuit is to recapture the wasted visa numbers in the previous decade that amount to 218000.

    2) No matter how angry and frustrated we are, we should keep our cool heads and contribute as much as we can to the letter campaign. This might achieve some results. If it happens, it will provide big immediate relief and help reduce the backlogs.

    3) Lets see what's going on with the "Scaled down CIR type" bill House Dems are talking about, as mentioned my Greg Siskind etc. Hopes for this are low but no harm in hoping.

    4) I do see the light at the end of the tunnel. Once the new President steps in(Democratic or Republican), full-blown CIR would be revived. For legal EB immigrants, it would overhaul the whole GC system, making it point based and would most probably include EB visa reacpture and visa increase. This might happen in early 2009.

    5) With USCIS hiring 1500 employees and adjucators, processing times might improve.

    This is the time even the lawsuit would take to get some relief, if at all.

    So, let's be patient and keep the lawsuit option (if it possible) absolutely as a last resort.



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  • deafTunes123
    08-02 06:54 AM
    I don't think that search is giving the accurate info. I know at least 10 Amway guys by name in my neighbor hood (you can guess how many... many... times I've been tortured) and none of their names is appearing. May be it is giving the names of those silver or what ever their hierarchy is.

    Its a good info to catch and hopefully its useful.

    Guys! This is getting interesting. Guess what I found!! Now you can find out the names of your local friendly Amway Independent Business owners!!!

    Go to https://www.amway.com/Shop/Registration/CustomerRegistration.aspx?Country=US

    Scroll down to the section titled "Benefits of Being Affiliated with an Independent Business Owner", select "Show me a list of IBOs in my area that I can select from".... put your zip code and voila!!!!

    I put my own zipcode 94536, and most of the names are desi. Confirms my suspicion that there are more desi's sucked into this than........

    Now post what you find in your area!





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  • smuggymba
    01-15 04:08 PM
    Body shops aka desi dallas have bad business practices as someone just mentioned - all they do is provide a TAX ID.....nothing else.

    You have to find a project on your own, no pay on bench, no proper office space - renting 2 rooms doesn't make a company, no benefits or medical insurance. Since an H1-B person requires an employer to do paper work - that is all what they do.

    As someone just mentioned, this rule is not against H1-Bs but against such ppl who have bad business practices. Not all desi dallas are bad - 10-15% are good also.



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  • Pineapple
    12-14 05:45 PM
    Read my previous post explaining how things would work without country limits.
    All you need to do is recall basic probability theory from school. No country quotas is the only fair way to go, as it would give any individual a fair go, regardless of nationality. I thought this premise was self evident.. but evidently, I'm wrong, and there is some explanation to do.

    I hope explaining the facts and reasoning helps, and the feeling that "country quotas protect smaller countries" has nothing to do with the old saying:

    "When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always rely on support from Paul"
    :rolleyes:

    We are all in this together, guys... As per the original intent of the thread, we were supposed to discuss whether the 7 % quota is constitutional. That discussion is not yet settled.

    The main point is, based on current caps and quotas, all of us are stuck.

    One way or another, we need to (A) raise number of EB visas, and (B) Eliminate quotas which distort the market and give unfair advantage to one nationality over another.

    --What you said sounds very interesting. But it got me thinking, what if the merit is equally distributed by the country of origin and there is a limit to the opportunities this country can provide?


    Let us say there are 140,000 EB visas given every year. Based on pure merit and sans any regard to nationality. Don't you think it could potentially lead to more visas being consumed by one country?

    What if this country wants to ensure diversity to its social fabric?? How do they go about doing that?





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  • gc_lover
    06-27 03:43 PM
    I am sorry to say that all EB-3 and EB-2 dates have gone back to 2001. Please check DOS site.















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    We want rumor not heartattack. ;)



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  • deepakd
    07-11 01:43 PM
    Guys

    On the sameline, I think no one is crazy about anything but material wealth for self.

    Take my example, GOV of India spent lot of money on me so that I get a degree from IIT and here I am in USA salivating over GC dreams.
    If I would be kicked out of USA, I may move to Canada, if I kicked out of Canada then to Australia and it would continue............


    Aptly quoted fot this situation ( sorry for hindi language)

    GC ne jalim Kutta banaa diya
    Warna hum bhi the addme izzat ke





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  • ivar
    08-15 03:47 AM
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  • syendu1
    01-14 02:01 PM
    plainspeak,

    i know a thing or two about this eb related immigration. i agree people should not suffer for years together to get a perm. res card, and that too, people who may have been in the line ahead of others.

    however, i dont think it is just not being ahead that creates this spill over thing. unused visas first go to eb1, then to eb2 and then to eb3. i think, that is correct. now, my view about this categorization is that, eb1 -- outstanding people, eb2 -- better qualified, eb 3 -- skilled but not qualified in terms of degree or experience, whatever. (pls understand, i am not degrading eb3 people, i have loads of very close friends in eb3 who are extremely intelligent and i can tell you, can easily compete with the eb2 guz, as far as knowledge etc goes).

    but, there is a reason for this division and just for that reason, visas have to go thru eb2 before eb 3. if that is not the case, they wont put people who go for NIW in eb2, it wud have been in eb 3 or a completely separate category.

    u did mention to someone that u dont want to convert to eb2 or something in those lines, but i believe everyone should try to get to eb 2 (get masters, or after getting the experience), there is nothing wrong in doing so. (if u feel that i shud not be giving u advice, then just ignore the above few lines)

    i believe some of things people pointed out like visa recapture, not counting the dependents etc are the kind of things where IV should focus energies. this is good for all immigrants

    bottomline: i believe it is wrong to distribute remaining visa no.s to eb3 category before servicing eb 2, becoz i thought, the categories were specifically created to prioritize.

    and please, bear in mind, i am not saying this coz i am eb2. i thought logically that was correct. and, i do easily qualify for eb 1 as well. just did not care abt a gc. i dont care abt it even now. my thinking: if it happens, good, if not, i dont care, i can always go back home-jai hind.





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  • Marphad
    04-01 12:33 PM
    9-1-1, Fire Department, come soon!!!!!!!!!!!

    OK. Enough of joke.

    SK2006. It looks like you have a little misunderstanding. Let me put some facts in front of you:

    1. I created the thread under "Interesting Topic" which is specially created for this purpose: "to discuss non-immigration topics".

    2. You can not have more than 1-2 action items on IV per month. They are simply not doable. Thats the reason moderators converted IV format and tried to make it like a communication hub for immigrant community. People can discuss and share anything as community over here. You may see job related public group to discussing movies threads. There is nothing wrong in that. It keeps people visiting the forum and when the real action item comes, we don't need to keep sending private messages to people. They are just here.
    - Point 2 explains why Pappu also posted on this thread.

    3. Your dedication is appreciated regarding immigration issues. Please don't go away. I see you as a valuable asset in group.





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  • H1B-GC
    08-15 09:30 AM
    Seeing Sep 2008 bulletin I felt happy:). I presume in October 2008 bulletin the EB2 India/china Priority dates go back. But its a mild retrogression for a short span of time. After that the dates start catching up current again. EB2 India becoming current is inevitable.

    We need a legilation change for any considerable movement in EB3 India. I am presuming in the next two years there will be considerable changes in EB category immigration which directly relief EB3 India.




    mpadapa has given almost exact count on EB limit for 2008.

    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=265989&postcount=90



    The Earliest Time the Dates for EB2 "might" move up again would be the February Visa Bulletin'09 as USCIS and DOS would Need atleast the 1st Quarter Data(Oct- Dec) to see the Visa Demand for the ROW Category in order for the Horizontal Spillover to India/China.

    Do you Agree Mr.Rao?





    sweet_jungle
    07-04 12:28 AM
    do we just need to access it?

    so much!!





    Macaca
    06-28 10:52 AM
    At the beginning of each month, the Visa Office receives a report from each immigrant visa processing post listing totals of documentarily qualified immigrant visa applicants in categories subject to numerical limitation.
    Cases are grouped by foreign state chargeability/preference/priority date. No names are reported. During the first week of each month, this documentarily qualified demand is tabulated.

    VO subdivides the annual preference and foreign state limitations which are specified by the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) into twelve monthly allotments. The totals of documentarily qualified applicants reported to VO, and the expected INS demand for numbers, are compared each month with the numbers available for the next regular allotment. This allows for the determination of the monthly cut-off dates, and the allotment of numbers for reported applicants who have priority dates within the newly established cut-off dates. If there are sufficient numbers in a particular category to satisfy all reported documentarily qualified demand, the category is considered "current."

    This is talking about numbers available for next regular allotment. This number could be the number remaining for current year (which is what I think it is).

    It is not saying that there is a monthly/quraterly quota. I have not seen monthly/quarterly quota in any USCIS document but then I have not read most of them.



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