angelfire76
05-31 06:03 PM
whatever the case may be, until there is a VISA recapture we are not going to get our GC's anytime soon. Please admit this fact.
What I would suggest is that we work with Indian Govt. parallely (specially people who are moving back or planning to move back) to get back the Social Security/Medicare contributions we had been making. We need to show that if we start going back we would add $$$ to Indian economy. This would also trigger US govt. to think on this issue (i think..)
US works when there is big money involved... otherwise nothing would move here...
Just my thoughts.
Recently I was on a flight from Delhi to Mumbai and the guy next to me was a former RBI employee. I asked him as to why the Indian govt. is not doing anything about the billions of USD left behind by Indians returning to India in the form of SSA and Medicare taxes, to which he replied that the obstacle to a treaty as stated by the US govt. is that India does not have a system comparable to Soc. Security and Medicare for distribution of money to it's retirees.
Such a pact was apparently considered in 2006, but went nowhere due to disagreement about how the Indian govt. will track money distribution and administer the program.
What I would suggest is that we work with Indian Govt. parallely (specially people who are moving back or planning to move back) to get back the Social Security/Medicare contributions we had been making. We need to show that if we start going back we would add $$$ to Indian economy. This would also trigger US govt. to think on this issue (i think..)
US works when there is big money involved... otherwise nothing would move here...
Just my thoughts.
Recently I was on a flight from Delhi to Mumbai and the guy next to me was a former RBI employee. I asked him as to why the Indian govt. is not doing anything about the billions of USD left behind by Indians returning to India in the form of SSA and Medicare taxes, to which he replied that the obstacle to a treaty as stated by the US govt. is that India does not have a system comparable to Soc. Security and Medicare for distribution of money to it's retirees.
Such a pact was apparently considered in 2006, but went nowhere due to disagreement about how the Indian govt. will track money distribution and administer the program.
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msp1976
02-18 11:28 AM
This is an excellent analysis of why do you see so many EB based immigrants from India and not from other places...The same arguments can apply almost identically to the Chinese immigrants...
http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/sep2006/sb20060913_157784.htm?chan=search
I have been following your arguments and I get a sense that though not explicitly anti immigrants, you are opposed to any concentration of EB immigrants from any particular place..It just happens so that at this time it happens to be the Indians....
But a large concentration of Indians in this immigrant category is not an accident....nor is it just because of people preferring their kins for sponsoring....But because of the numerous facts enumerated in this article.....
Of course you can dismiss this argument as Indians promoting themselves...but what the heck... I have to at least try...
http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/sep2006/sb20060913_157784.htm?chan=search
I have been following your arguments and I get a sense that though not explicitly anti immigrants, you are opposed to any concentration of EB immigrants from any particular place..It just happens so that at this time it happens to be the Indians....
But a large concentration of Indians in this immigrant category is not an accident....nor is it just because of people preferring their kins for sponsoring....But because of the numerous facts enumerated in this article.....
Of course you can dismiss this argument as Indians promoting themselves...but what the heck... I have to at least try...
at0474
12-13 11:35 AM
Discrimination in employment based on nationality is not allowed. However, can we extend the argument to the employment based immigration? We can always choose to take that promotion though we will lose our place in the queue.
Leaving the question of fairness aside, under the current legal framework my guess is we do not have a case.
--I think, per country quota system was framed with diversification as underlying principle, not discrimination.
Depending on which country you are from, it may seem like discrimination or fair system upholding diversity.
If you are from India, you would hate it. There are truckloads of programmers in that country. But if you are the only graduate with programming skills from a country like timbaktoo (?), you would love it. You also got a shot at american dream.
This EB quota system reminds me of Caste reservation system in India. To some that is fair, to others, it is unfair. Depends on which side of the fence you are.
Leaving the question of fairness aside, under the current legal framework my guess is we do not have a case.
--I think, per country quota system was framed with diversification as underlying principle, not discrimination.
Depending on which country you are from, it may seem like discrimination or fair system upholding diversity.
If you are from India, you would hate it. There are truckloads of programmers in that country. But if you are the only graduate with programming skills from a country like timbaktoo (?), you would love it. You also got a shot at american dream.
This EB quota system reminds me of Caste reservation system in India. To some that is fair, to others, it is unfair. Depends on which side of the fence you are.
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willIWill
01-15 03:40 PM
I agree Teddykoochu.
Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.
It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.
This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out."
To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.
Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.
It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.
This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out."
To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.
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bfadlia
02-15 02:22 PM
u r missing my point..
Again you are saying it's a SKILL cap. We can agree business may hire whoever they please but don't pretend that they only hire based on SKILL..
when someone says let business hire the "best and brightest", that's my problem, he implies the best and brightest are concentrated in only two countries so that's what's insane, that's why he won't be taken seriously.
cheers.
Yes skills don't need a cap. If I am a business owner, I have all rights to hire best and brightest in the world. It is my choice whom I hire not Government tells me where to go for hiring. Business may hire from India or Antartica, it should not be anyone's damn concern. Let the free markets work !!! This is insane
Again you are saying it's a SKILL cap. We can agree business may hire whoever they please but don't pretend that they only hire based on SKILL..
when someone says let business hire the "best and brightest", that's my problem, he implies the best and brightest are concentrated in only two countries so that's what's insane, that's why he won't be taken seriously.
cheers.
Yes skills don't need a cap. If I am a business owner, I have all rights to hire best and brightest in the world. It is my choice whom I hire not Government tells me where to go for hiring. Business may hire from India or Antartica, it should not be anyone's damn concern. Let the free markets work !!! This is insane
nixstor
09-23 02:26 AM
Asking for exemption from quota will cause this proposal to fail. My suggestion:
Of the 10,000 available visas per year for EB5, only about 3k to 4k are being used. How about if one buy a house and give a minimum $100,000 cash payment (not credit in US), he will get a temporary greencard from the EB5 visa pool. If after 2 years, the house is occupied and owned by the same person without problems with credit, he will get a permanent GC. This is on top of meeting the requirements of the category he is in.
Sorry for bringing EB5 in my comments.
This is just my opinion.
I hear your pessimism on the exemption from quota. The write up here is an attempt to bring the committees on both sides to the table and let them decide what they want to do with it. The solution quoted here will not be as it is if it were to be drafted by folks on the hill. In normal conditions, exemption from numerical limits is a big issue, but given the surplus of homes, 11.5 month inventory and ever growing foreclosures, rock solid mortgages EB applicants qualify for, might make such exemption possible in a situation that is referred to as once in a century thing.
20% down payment on sale price is a sign of good borrowing habits in the mortgage industry. Last time when I checked approximately 800 visas were used in EB-5 yearly. Thats a different story.
Of the 10,000 available visas per year for EB5, only about 3k to 4k are being used. How about if one buy a house and give a minimum $100,000 cash payment (not credit in US), he will get a temporary greencard from the EB5 visa pool. If after 2 years, the house is occupied and owned by the same person without problems with credit, he will get a permanent GC. This is on top of meeting the requirements of the category he is in.
Sorry for bringing EB5 in my comments.
This is just my opinion.
I hear your pessimism on the exemption from quota. The write up here is an attempt to bring the committees on both sides to the table and let them decide what they want to do with it. The solution quoted here will not be as it is if it were to be drafted by folks on the hill. In normal conditions, exemption from numerical limits is a big issue, but given the surplus of homes, 11.5 month inventory and ever growing foreclosures, rock solid mortgages EB applicants qualify for, might make such exemption possible in a situation that is referred to as once in a century thing.
20% down payment on sale price is a sign of good borrowing habits in the mortgage industry. Last time when I checked approximately 800 visas were used in EB-5 yearly. Thats a different story.
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akred
02-18 12:31 PM
Reason it was retrogressed is probably everyone was getting everyone of their relatives, etc., to come to USA through employment base. The country quota in my mind is designed to prevent such abuses of people making an end run and designing systems to get people from certain countries here.
You are theorizing based on circumstantial evidence, but the history and origin of the country quota does not support your conclusion. The fact that the DOL and UCCIS would not be able to keep abreast of illegal behavior is not something that would have been known at the time the country quota was introduced.
The other issue with your theory is that the abuse you are referring has its roots in the fact that the employer controls the green card process not the country quota. If I really want to abuse the country quota I would change my name and get a fake SSN / green card and wait for the periodic legalization initiatives or even simpler, get a birth certificate from the right country.
You are theorizing based on circumstantial evidence, but the history and origin of the country quota does not support your conclusion. The fact that the DOL and UCCIS would not be able to keep abreast of illegal behavior is not something that would have been known at the time the country quota was introduced.
The other issue with your theory is that the abuse you are referring has its roots in the fact that the employer controls the green card process not the country quota. If I really want to abuse the country quota I would change my name and get a fake SSN / green card and wait for the periodic legalization initiatives or even simpler, get a birth certificate from the right country.
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snathan
03-27 12:01 PM
You really think so?? The next PMs name is not even on your poll lists!!
India and Russia have set examples to the rest of the world. How? well...
Russia- by showing how communism can be at its worst
India- by happily showing how democracy can be at its... you guessed it, "worst"
Dont agree?? True Democracy, implies "for the people and by the people", right?
well in India its a tiny bit different...."For the thugs and by the thugs" Now the word thugs vary in meaning depending upon the citizen affected... for some it might simply mean "currupt" for others "looters", for some others "dishonest" and for a unfortunate majority it goes to the extent of "murderers".
Now.....still interested in wasting time with the projections for Indian PM??
Couldn't be better....nothing is going to change. World would be a better place without these thugs. Waste of time.
In my point the alliance in India - political porstitutes.
Third Front - alliance of junkies...
India and Russia have set examples to the rest of the world. How? well...
Russia- by showing how communism can be at its worst
India- by happily showing how democracy can be at its... you guessed it, "worst"
Dont agree?? True Democracy, implies "for the people and by the people", right?
well in India its a tiny bit different...."For the thugs and by the thugs" Now the word thugs vary in meaning depending upon the citizen affected... for some it might simply mean "currupt" for others "looters", for some others "dishonest" and for a unfortunate majority it goes to the extent of "murderers".
Now.....still interested in wasting time with the projections for Indian PM??
Couldn't be better....nothing is going to change. World would be a better place without these thugs. Waste of time.
In my point the alliance in India - political porstitutes.
Third Front - alliance of junkies...
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geve
09-23 11:08 AM
It is grat Idea. When you run an organisation, think about weather it meets our final goal or not. Do not think it is going to benfit me or not.
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rockstart
09-24 09:11 AM
Has some one cross validated USCIS numbers against IV Tracker data? Till now we always assumed that tracker data was 1% of entire population. This is a good time for some data guru to tell us actually how many people (% wise) are on IV. A break-up by month (PD) might be preferable because I feel older PD people are more active than newer ones.
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BharatPremi
12-13 10:32 PM
One possible argument someone can make is , if there isn't a per country limit on H1Bs, why should there be one on GCs?
We can have a lawsuit saying, cap both visa types or cap none.
If ever this law suit come before a judge, we can potentially win by creating a list of all the lost oppurtunities, lost time and money etc, basically building a human story around the restriction.
Other than that, I don't think per country qouta violates the constitution.
Anyways, I am enjoying this thread, very logical arguments in each reply.
Mark,
what say you?
We can have a lawsuit saying, cap both visa types or cap none.
If ever this law suit come before a judge, we can potentially win by creating a list of all the lost oppurtunities, lost time and money etc, basically building a human story around the restriction.
Other than that, I don't think per country qouta violates the constitution.
Anyways, I am enjoying this thread, very logical arguments in each reply.
Mark,
what say you?
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shukla77
05-29 04:07 PM
All those people who are saying let us inform USCIS, if 50% of them go home today and draft letter and post or email it, then that will be significant achievement for today. Emotional exchanges without any concrete plan after a bad news is norm here. Look at the past few bulletins. Let us do gandhigiri, let us do flower campaign, let us do rally, questiion is WHAT WE REALLY DO not "LET US".
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amitga
02-15 08:32 AM
Very well said & I just feel the same...I have already lost hope on this GC and can not predict how long its going to take but for sure before I leave this place and go back to home country I will contribute my best of share in this fight for justice and full support...count me in with out any doubt!!
The current situation is a gross voilation of the constitutional right of employment at will. This amounts to Involuntary servitude which is a more techincal term for slavery. Read yourself the definition of both and make your own judgement.
In my view (though crazy and totaly impractical) the law suit should be against all the employers because they are the one who represent Govt/USCIS in processing our Green cards. Employers told us that we will process your greencard and you will be a PR in x number of years and now that x is infinite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will)
At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can terminate the relationship with no liability if there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship. Under this legal doctrine:
“ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_servitude :
Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion. While laboring to benefit another occurs in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.
The current situation is a gross voilation of the constitutional right of employment at will. This amounts to Involuntary servitude which is a more techincal term for slavery. Read yourself the definition of both and make your own judgement.
In my view (though crazy and totaly impractical) the law suit should be against all the employers because they are the one who represent Govt/USCIS in processing our Green cards. Employers told us that we will process your greencard and you will be a PR in x number of years and now that x is infinite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will)
At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can terminate the relationship with no liability if there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship. Under this legal doctrine:
“ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_servitude :
Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion. While laboring to benefit another occurs in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.
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Marphad
05-18 03:59 PM
I think conventional war was ended. But the mistrust is still there. New organization and another set of gurilla warfare will be start very soon. Many LTTE still in Sri Lanka. They may regroup after some time. The refuge camp will be breading ground. If need peace, settle these refugees to good housing, education and jobs. If Sri Lanka thinks the war is over with LTTE, and rule with same manner like before, no peace at sight. May be the unrest will be not in the north, may be in south.
For long lasting peace, cosider all minority with equal rights, like in India. Minority get more rights, because of vote bank.
I think SL government will emphasize on providing jobs etc to tamilians to resolve the issue in right way. They won the war part 1 now most critical is part 2...
For long lasting peace, cosider all minority with equal rights, like in India. Minority get more rights, because of vote bank.
I think SL government will emphasize on providing jobs etc to tamilians to resolve the issue in right way. They won the war part 1 now most critical is part 2...
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Marphad
03-27 12:05 PM
Hey this is not fair! Someone updated poll options.
Anyways, not a problem. Just teach me how to do it please.
Waiting for reply to learn this.
Ek Student Gyan ki bhiksha maang raha hai bachcha.
Anyways, not a problem. Just teach me how to do it please.
Waiting for reply to learn this.
Ek Student Gyan ki bhiksha maang raha hai bachcha.
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RandyK
05-01 02:46 PM
Dude,
DO NOT bring politics into this forum.
LTTE is a terrorist organization banned all over the world, first by India and US.
If you go read about the situation on the UN site you will find out that the civilians are held hostage by the LTTE and that is the main reason for the civilians to be in this situation.
If you want to see what LTTE is doing to their OWN people click on the link below and click on the link on the right hand side on top. You will see like 20 LTTE terrorists shooting at like 5000 tamils trying to escape from them. This was taken from a UAV of the SL Gov like a week ago.
http://www.defence.lk/hm/hm.asp
DO NOT bring politics into this forum.
LTTE is a terrorist organization banned all over the world, first by India and US.
If you go read about the situation on the UN site you will find out that the civilians are held hostage by the LTTE and that is the main reason for the civilians to be in this situation.
If you want to see what LTTE is doing to their OWN people click on the link below and click on the link on the right hand side on top. You will see like 20 LTTE terrorists shooting at like 5000 tamils trying to escape from them. This was taken from a UAV of the SL Gov like a week ago.
http://www.defence.lk/hm/hm.asp
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vrbest
07-22 12:27 PM
Thank you for taking time to answer my question. my PD is Apr 06 EB3-India. I filed 485 on Jul 23, 2007.
Can I continue working for Company B until GC is received? or should I join company C before that?
Whats your EB3 PD. You can join company C anytime assuming that it has been more than six months since you filed your I-485. Company C can start the EB2 process should you choose to. However bear in mind that this process will also take some time.
Can I continue working for Company B until GC is received? or should I join company C before that?
Whats your EB3 PD. You can join company C anytime assuming that it has been more than six months since you filed your I-485. Company C can start the EB2 process should you choose to. However bear in mind that this process will also take some time.
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amitjoey
07-03 04:57 PM
What did you put in the subject field.. It is very important to have right words in subject field so at least they will open the email and see what's in it..
"Immigration scandal goes unnoticed"
or "USCIS drama and tantrum to lessen workload"
or "Is this legal?"
or "Resignations due at USCIS"
or "Foul Play synonym USCIS Play"
"Immigration scandal goes unnoticed"
or "USCIS drama and tantrum to lessen workload"
or "Is this legal?"
or "Resignations due at USCIS"
or "Foul Play synonym USCIS Play"
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samay
07-06 12:08 PM
Hello,
Could you tell at 140 level does a candidate needs to submit all the previous
H1 Approval notices.
I couldnt submit my previous 140 approval notice since it was during 2000-2001. How important is the previous H1 B approval notices for a 140 approval ? . I submitted the current approval notice which is from 2006-2009
Rajesh
Hello
We normally submit all the previous H-1B approvals with the I-140 application. I am a bit confused from your post is there a gap in your H-1 B approvals.
Could you tell at 140 level does a candidate needs to submit all the previous
H1 Approval notices.
I couldnt submit my previous 140 approval notice since it was during 2000-2001. How important is the previous H1 B approval notices for a 140 approval ? . I submitted the current approval notice which is from 2006-2009
Rajesh
Hello
We normally submit all the previous H-1B approvals with the I-140 application. I am a bit confused from your post is there a gap in your H-1 B approvals.
villamonte6100
12-14 01:15 PM
What did I do wrong. I'm only commenting. I don't understand why you mentioned the word "polite". Could you quote a section on my replies where you think I am not polite. Please....
--Grupak, I wasn't talking about the law here. It was villamonte, I was just requesting him to be polite. The thing I agreed about him was that we cannot call country cap quota as discrimination.
--Grupak, I wasn't talking about the law here. It was villamonte, I was just requesting him to be polite. The thing I agreed about him was that we cannot call country cap quota as discrimination.
lc2004
09-23 04:22 PM
the day this becomes law..it would be better for all of us go home, bcos tht means lawmakers are ready to do anything to get some money and they know this country has gone down beyond repair.
and the day it becomes law..i am sure the situation in this country will be so bad tht most of us wont even have jobs at tht time.
and the day it becomes law..i am sure the situation in this country will be so bad tht most of us wont even have jobs at tht time.